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Wednesday, August 31, 2005

My Beliefs

I have no problem with teaching Creationism (Adam and Eve) or Intelligent Design (a god, devil or an alien created life on the earth) in schools, providing other historical and traditional theories are also taught.

It is absolutely necessary that we provide diversity in our quest for rational discourse on man’s beginning and bring to the table all the theories, sciences and pseudosciences presented in reference to just how in hell we got here, not just those favored by the fundamentalists, Christianists, or ET lovers.

Therefore, I present my personal favorite on humankind’s origins and demand that my views are respected also.

My belief is the very well-loved, traditional and thought provoking theory of the stork.

“In many lands the stork's presence was a sign of good luck and prosperity, and people encouraged them to build their nests on their rooftops. The belief was also common that they loved the water and visited swamps and lakes frequently. Ancient traditions held that the souls of unborn children dwelt in these watery places. So it was easy to link the beliefs and traditions of years past to the wonderful white bird with eyeglasses and a top hat and jacket as the one who lovingly delivered beautiful babies.” (http://www.storknews.com/)


“In Victorian times the details of human reproduction were a difficult subject to approach, especially in reply to a child's query of "Where did I come from?"; "The stork brought you to us" was the tactic used to avoid discussion of sex. This habit was derived from the once popular superstition that storks were the harbingers of happiness and prosperity. The image of a stork bearing an infant wrapped in a sling held in its beak is common in popular culture. The small pink or reddish patches often found on a newborn child's eyelids, between the eyes, upper lip, and the nape of the neck, which are clusters of developing veins that soon fade, are sometimes still called "stork bites".” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stork)


Just to show you I am not a Stork fundamentalist and have open opinions on matters such as these, I also am a believer in the Cabbage Patch theory of life’s beginnings.

We all know people who have had children that look nothing like their parents. Another example to ponder is heterosexual parents who end up with a child who is homosexual. How can this be – this “unnatural” selection?

Of course, the Cabbage Patch theory becomes more credible when we realize that people select their children from a huge cabbage patch and often times pick one that doesn’t appear to look like them at all or despite the parents’ heterosexual lifestyle, the parents end up rearing children that just cannot be recruited or abide by the heterosexual agenda.

The stork and the cabbage patch work in mysterious ways. Sometimes the only answers for the things we don’t understand are held in the beak of a stork or a garden of cabbages.

If we are told we must accept pseudo-science as a “theory” in one case, than we must in the other.

(Oh no, don’t shake that DNA finger at me. We either are going with DNA or dumping it all together.

O.J. Simpson had all the DNA evidence in the world to convict him of double murder, but he’s out golfing thanks to the smart people on the jury who weren’t going to believe in the science of DNA.)

In summary, the theories of Stork-creation and Cabbage Patch creation deserve attention and study and our children need to know all the theories involved with the beginnings of life.

There is solid scientific evidence that storks have been seen near the homes of women prior to the advent of a new baby and studies have proved that there are cabbage leaves large enough to shelter an infant. Believe me folks, this is not just storkma.

If we are to believe that supernatural causes are the reason for life on earth, then certainly we can believe in the stork and cabbage patch theories where hard evidence is available to this day for study and reflection.

One can observe the stork and the cabbages, but one cannot observe the god or gods, or aliens attributed to Intelligent Design, ergo I insist my religious and scientific beliefs are included in any and all Biology classes from this day forward.

43 Comments:

Blogger Unknown said...

Inteligent design is an oxymoron. I hate the way the right extreme is stealing language. The passerby average Josephine might not understand what this means but accept it unknowingly because the nomenclature is so innocuous and cerebral sounding.

Thanks for taking the time to, with great humor, tackle this under understood topic. Don't agree to anything unless you've researched what it means. You may be aligning yourself with Scientology, aliens or the myth and legend of Beowulf for that matter.


Me? I'm going with stork, baby.

9:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I take the view different from Lauren. I like the cabbage patch. I got to choose 2 kids that look nothing like their dad. WooHoo!
If I went with the stork, I couldnt choose ones that didnt have his features.
Now, if I only knew how tall they will be...

9:52 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Lawbrat. You rock. that is all.

9:56 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Nice to see we're getting a poll here...glad to see Lawbrat is supporting the cabbage patch and Lauren the stork. See how people with differing opinions can get a long if they try?

Lawbrat...you are in rare form today...loved your comment that your kids don't look like their father...!!

LB - You have given me pause for thought...must reconsider Beowulf.

"Beowulf exists in only one manuscript. This copy survived both the wholesale destruction of religious artifacts during the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII and a disastrous fire which destroyed the library of Sir Robert Bruce Cotton (1571-1631)."

An example of Beowulf intervention? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

10:03 AM  
Blogger jg said...

i prefer to go with the theory that we are all derived from a giant talking stalk of red celery who used to be a boxing champ named "kid rhubarb" back in the days when this planet was overrun by large talking stalks of celery.

one day, kid rhubarb was walking down the street when the magical cream cheese fairy sprinkled her magic dust on him and told him he would be the bearer of a new species that would coexist peacefully with the celery people, so long as the children didn't get wet or get fed after midnight. thus, a set of twins (one male, one female) were born.

things were going along well for the new found family. the children were happy, the celery stalk was proud, and things were peaceful in all the land.

but one day, when the boy was seven years old, he and his sister were playing in their rooms late at night when all of a sudden he felt hungry. not realizing that the clock was about to strike midnight, he prepared a towering BLT with pesto mayonnaise and kettle cooked chips on the side.

as he bit down into the sandwich the clock struck naught. he tried not to swallow but it was too late, and besides, the sandwich was too delicious.

oddly enough, though, he felt fine. his sister, sensing a disturbance in the force, ran downstairs to see what had happened.

to her dismay, she saw her brother sitting at the kitchen table with a full belly. terrified at first, she realized that nothing bad had happened.

believing their fate no be nothing more than a myth, the two decided to go for a sit in the hot tub. however, the boy, not heeding the advice of his sister to wait at least thirty minutes before going in the water, jumped right into the tub.

immediately upon doing so, both children became ill. their stomachs filled with a pain that could only be satisfied by one thing. celery. with peanut butter on it.

needless to say, the rest of the story is too graphic to describe in detail here.

10:04 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

JG - you genius you! Of course I will not only tolerate the talking celery theory of life...I shall embrace it!

You really should write a series of funny fairy tales, as this one was a true winner..I'm printing it out for future generations!

My the cream cheese go with you my son.

10:16 AM  
Blogger kristen said...

This subject has my husband ready to write an op-ed piece for the NY Times!

Being raised without any religion, science is how I know the world began, not what my church friends used to tell me.

Great topic MB, I can't wait to read more comments!

12:44 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

May the cream cheese go with you my son...is what I meant JG

Hwaet! Love that word Summer!

Acumamkiki...I hope your husband does write that OP/ed piece...

For me, I think people can believe whatever story, myth, legend, tradition, religious account etc. they want - but science has to be science in the classroom and nothing more.

If not, then I demand the stork theory. And now I'm adding the giant talking stalk of red celery theory because I laughed so hard when I read it.

12:53 PM  
Blogger kristen said...

My sister told me the other day, about this dude in Kansas that has submitted this whole theory on the flying spaghetti monster that has enough basis (like intelligent design) and therefore, they have to add THIS to the curriculum as well. I'm going to go find the link right now.

2:17 PM  
Blogger kristen said...

Here it is:

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/aug/24/evolution_debate_creates_monster/

2:18 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Acumamakiki, thanks for taking the time to dig up that link - I just loved the article. I have a good friend in Lawrence and I sent it to him too, I know he'll love it.

Of course my stork theory is not meant in a satirical manner...(wink wink)

2:52 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

So let it be written so let it be rhubarb, or pasta...or whatever.

3:00 PM  
Blogger dashababy said...

Stork bites,,,, now I know. Yesterday, I was looking at some baby pics of someones kid and she definitley had the red eyelid and I thought, "why do babies get that?". Stork bite, that is so sweet.
Glad you are feeling up to par and feisty again. I love your posts and your funny/intelligent/witty commenters.
LB and Lawbrat, you both rock. But I am so wondering what happened to the celery people. What a cliffhanger!

3:24 PM  
Blogger WILLIAM said...

I love your controversial/political yet always witty posts. being not as intelligent nor as witty as your regluar commenters, I have to go with the Stork. I was educated by Bugs Bunny cartoons.

3:46 PM  
Blogger jac said...

MB
I am not with the stork theory but I do appreciate your effort and your vehemence.
I know one thing, from tomorrow the talk of the blog world will be storkmania. Hurrah !!!

4:22 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Thanks Dashababy and remember YOU are one of my funny/intelligent/witty commenters!!

William I am so glad you put a vote in for Stork...I am partial to the story theory...8-)

Oh Jac, please reconsider...you too can join storkmania...otherwise your choices are talking red celery stalks and flying spaghetti...!

4:30 PM  
Blogger Irina Tsukerman said...

Last year, on my way home from a summer class I was taking, I saw a stork nest on top of a house, and on top of it, was sitting a lovely couple of storks. What's more interesting, however, was outside the house, there was a little banner with a birth announcement. I think it was either a girl or a boy! ; )

6:37 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Aha! Empirical results that support my hypothesis! Thanks Irina

(It must have truly been a memorable sight to see a real stork's nest - re your post today - that to me is where I find my spirituality! Lucky you for such a sighting....)

7:19 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

thanks dashababy....thanks mb...irina ...all...

All hail the rhubarb.

7:47 PM  
Blogger Echrai said...

I personally believe that this world we live on is actually one biiiiiiiig ball of snot blown from the nose of a great green djinn named Xvrtlnx.

9:01 AM  
Blogger jg said...

i see my rhubarb theory is gaining speed... nice.

10:08 AM  
Blogger Nilbo said...

Heretics, the lot of you.

Because you can produce no evidence that anyone has ever seen a stork with a baby blanket in its mouth, your entire so-called "theory" must be discarded. And because there is no evidence that there were medium sized stalks of rhubarb - only these alleged "giant" stalks and the small ones we see today - that "theory" is also disproved and can be safely consigned to the waste-bins.

Why don't you heretics and disbelievers get it into your heads that unless it is in the Bible, it's wrong? The only scientific text required in our schools is the Good Book.

Honestly. The sooner you can accept the scientific fact that is Immaculate Conception and the clear, unequivocable truth that all of us descended directly from Adam and Eve and their two sons ... the better off this world will be.

11:24 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Hey Nilbo! I was hoping you'd stop by, I tried two times to post on your site and it just wouldn't work...have you had site problems or is it my sight problems causing the inability to comment?

I see you chose not to refute my secondary theory of the cabbage patch...we all know someone whose parents told them they were found in a cabbage patch and we all know parents don't lie because we are told to honor our mother and father!

Being maculate...I have conceived in the old fashioned dirty way. All the cries of "Out damned spot!" were to no avail...for me or for my reluctant pooch.

And just who did the two sons screw to propagate the race? Or did the human race die out when that Adams family died?

Please don't tell me incest was rampant and poor Eve had to be the one to "lay" with her sons...oh god, the good book can be raunchy as hell....

11:36 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Echrai says- one biiiiiiiig ball of snot blown from the nose of a great green djinn named Xvrtlnx

Yes! That would make lots of sense...as much as anything else presented so far and I don't mean here on my blog...


(I adore your new picture!)

(You have used my most favorite spelling "djinn" which indicates you and I ride on the same carpet and live in the same lamp -- another reason why I love you!)

11:42 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

JG - only problem is we have a rhubarb/celery bifurcated theory here...

Our creator's race is celery, but its name is Rhubarb..perhaps we should throw an onion into the mix and have what chefs call the holy trinity minus the carrot but with the rhubarb instead...

Some people actually blaspheme and call the creator a rhubarb whose name is Celery...ah..sweet mysteries of life...

11:46 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Sorry Nilbo... but the miniature stalks of today were created in the giant stalk's image. And please don't forget that faith in stalky vegetables by definition has nothing to do with empirical data or science. You just gotta believe! Long Live Apium Graveolens!

4:05 PM  
Blogger jg said...

yes, but it was more of a nickname than anything else. after all, he was a boxer, and you have to do things that strike fear in the hearts of your opponent when you're a boxer. and what is the most terrifying thing in the world to a stalk of celery? why, rhubarb, of course...

see, it all makes sense when you look at it logically

6:43 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

jg - I love the way your mind works...

I think you should write childrens' books that adults can read and go heh heh heh, under their breath.

Certainly there has to be a kingdom of stalks, celery and rhubarb for two...but other characters like corn stalks and ... wait a minute...I actually found a Stalk Movie:


Stalk of the Celery (1979)
Directed by
Tim Burton

Writing credits
Tim Burton

Hey JG - sure you aren't Tim Burton????

8:25 PM  
Blogger jg said...

i'm not sure who has more spare time. you or me.

8:05 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Proabably me, I'm a kept woman.

8:07 AM  
Blogger Susie said...

As a religious person (at least in blogworld, relatively speaking, it appears I am a religious person) and as a person who reads, studies and tries to follow the Holy Bible, I have to say, I don't give a rat's ass. My belief is that God created the universe, and I personally have never felt compelled to pin down, once and for all, exactly by what means or in what time frame, the Creator created all of this, all of us. It is of little interest to me. Like many other things I teach my child, I would teach her, "some people think this, others think that, probably others think things I don't even know to tell you about (rutabagas and the like), and the good news is, YOU get to decide what you want to believe."

I must also add that I take quite a bit of pleasure in singing this song to my scientific husband. I learned this in Southern Baptist Sunday School:

I'm no kin to the monkey!
The monkey's no kin to meeeeee
I don't know much about his ancestors, but
Mine didn't swing from a treeeeee!

woohoo! ;)

12:14 PM  
Blogger Susie said...

oops, so it was rhubarb, not rutabagas. Rutabaga is a little more fun to say, though. I hope I'm spelling it correctly. rutabagarutabagarutabaga! And I see you're sort of keeping a tally. Put me in the "rat's ass" category.

12:18 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

All right Susie-girl...I love the "don't give a rat's ass" category and hereby make it an official choice!

I do think rutabaga is a great word and I'm sure it can be incorporated in J.G's new book that he's going to write: How the Negetables Nreated the World, and why vegetarians are going to burn in hell for eating them!

Now wouldn't that be a gas, if you get to the pearly gates and instead of St Peter there's an onion waiting for you with a very mean face...;-)

1:14 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Where did those N's come from????

How the Vegetables Created the World, is what I meant.

1:24 PM  
Blogger paintergirl said...

I am a stork baby through and through.
My parents even took pictures of the nest on the roof. My mom and dad were busy trying to make a business grow, and then well, Mr. Stork thought he should pay them a visit.

3:58 PM  
Blogger Nilbo said...

Without weighting this down too terribly much, I'm sort of like Susie in this (as in so many things). I'm always amazed that people who believe in strict creationism can dismiss the thought that God (or Allah, or Yahweh, or Vishnu, or Whomever) could have simply created the conditions in which evolution could happen. Like it's some sort of cheap party trick. Hey, if it's so easy, you do it, then we'll tawk.

Create a universe in which the Big Bang can occur ... in which galaxies and planets can, over billions of years, form and evolve to the exact environment to support like. Create LIFE, even in the form of a one-celled organism that can reproduce itself asexually. Create the conditions in which, over billions upon billions of years, those one-celled organisms can become more and more complex and evolve into a human race.

I'm not asking you to clone a sheep. I'm not asking you to create a human being full-blown and ready to rock. All I'm asking is, create a universe in which that could happen.

If you do that, your creds as God are pretty much secure. Anything else (like, say, a lil help with the lottery for yours truly) is just padding the stats.

6:57 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Ok...paintergirl and I adhere to the stork theory!

Nilbo: Here's my thoughts that I adhere to religiously-- since the beginning of time, humans have conjured up superior beings (the sun moon stars to modern day deities) to attempt to explain things they cannot explain.

To rest their minds, they create a greater super mind who knows all -- the creator. (Phew, we need something to make this life easy for us...) So man creates god or gods or aliens as in
Scientology.

As you point out, these super minds carry different names and attributes.

I prefer to say that just because I don't know the answer to all life's mysteries in 2005, I don't need to create (from my mind) a superior being or worship some god/goddess, again created by someone else..someone human. The Bible was written by humans and not gods...for ex. We have no books currently written by God.

I toyed with the prime mover theory for a while, rejected it because I decided we have not evolved enough yet to answer these age old questions.

I believe in circles, eternities, and basically the biggies that say matter/energy can't be destroyed.

Perhaps all we know has always been contained in one big circle that has no beginning and no end and there is no initial moment when we were birthed, so to speak, but always were and always will be, just like the matter/energy that we are. A concept we can't understand yet.

No super being, alien, long haired, female or male, --just an eternity that we can't wrap our minds around.

Frankly, if there were a god that was in control, and it could be proven, and this god allowed what is happening in New Orleans to happen, I wouldn't like him/her/it one iota.

I live happily and morally without a god in my life. And I sleep late on Sundays! ;-)

We are all different in so many ways, and I just represent one of the opinions floating around the universe. Thanks for sharing yours.

8:12 PM  
Blogger Nilbo said...

Yeah, not sure I was as articulate as I like to be. I live without an active God-figure in my life, too. I have to have SOMETHING ... so I'm all about the "Set things on the path" kind of God, who doesn't get involved in the day-to-day (or millennia-to-millennia) stuff. I think that allows room for both Creation and evolution, which was my point.

Some people don't need anything by way of a God; I'm not among them. But my God isn't some sort of cosmic vending machine, taking in prayers and doling out corresponding wishes granted. Mine is more apt to say "What - I made it possible for you to look after things yourself. Suck it up."

12:42 AM  
Blogger RedPita said...

I loved that link acumamakiki! The comments over there are crazy.

Put me with the 'rats ass'.

I know what I believe and I am fine with what you believe. (you as in a collective, not just maryb).

However, I do have a hard time saying that everything in the bible is perfect and pure. I wonder about standard stuff. Like the fact that is was, ultimatly, written by humans.

So.. what if God really doesn't exist? What if, like Mary said, I am using God as a reason for things I don't understand?

Thats okay.

In the end, my life is better, fulller, more beautiful now that I have faith then it was when I didn't.

Just remember, not all Christians are fire and brimstone spewing extremists who worship George W on the side.

I'm more of a hippie anyway.

And I am all about that cabbage patch.

9:40 AM  
Blogger paintergirl said...

Hey I like what Nilbo said. I'm in total agreement about God not getting involved with all of the little things. We as humans, need to take responsibility and not F things up too much, where we have to go looking for a miracle. We have to use our brains and our hearts and stop being foolish.

I need to go and stand on my front porch and tell everyone this belief.

4:46 PM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Now we have quite a cross section of beliefs here..can you imagine if each person or group insisted that their belief be taught in biology class?

Would a biology teacher ever get to the point where he or she could teach the Krebs cycle again?

5:30 PM  
Blogger Weetzie said...

Hi mb! Just stopped by to say hello and I wonder how you are doing?
I am liking the image of the little babes in the cabbage patch but the stork is a favorite of mine as well...as usual you give an insightful look at things and interesting comments as well. :-)

10:25 AM  
Blogger mary bishop said...

Thanks for stopping by Weetzie! All this stork and cabbage patch talk is making me want to look up some of the old children's books I have with the gorgeous illustrations ....I do remember one of a baby in a cabbage patch that was too sweet for words.

11:44 AM  

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